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  • #15699
    Jim
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    I have just started Dacogen treatments and have had to have my first platelet transfusions since getting MDS. The transfusions have only been lasting a few days presumably because of the Dacogen.
    I also know that the more transfusions you have, the less effective they become. I’d like to get an idea of what this number is. So call this a survey if you will—how many platelet transfusions have you had? Are they still effective??

    JW

    #15700
    patti
    Member

    JW,

    My MIL has only had about 8 or 9 so far. Tomorrow will be either 9 or 10 (I don’t have my book in front of me). We are actually “working” at making them more effective by trying to make sure she doesn’t have a reaction (hives or otherwise) and being diligent about irradiation. I have no idea if this is true but her doctor and someone else told me that if she has a reaction to the platelets they won’t last as long in her body. Not to mention they cut off the transfusion at that point and toss the darn bag out! frown Maybe someone else here will know if that’s true. We’ve been trying to error on the side of caution and pre-med her because she has had reactions to two of them so far and those two did in fact last a shorter period of time. About 5 days instead of 8-10. Nurses keep telling us bag size doesn’t matter but I don’t buy it. When mom gets a 230ml bag they only last 7-8 days. When she gets a 430ml bag she can go 12 days. You’d think she’d go double but she doesn’t. She definately can go longer though. Once mom gets to the point where platelets tx are no longer effective we will move to HLA matched platelets and supposedly that should buy more time (although this also seems to depend on the person because someone else here was getting HLA matched platelets and it didn’t seem to matter). I don’t know if this is much help. I think so much depends on the individuals body.

    All the best,

    Patti

    #15701
    Neil
    Member

    Hi Jim,
    There is no real way to tell how many platelet TX any given patient can receive before they become refractory to them. Too many variables.
    In your case I would bet you will not have to worry about it. The effects of the Dacogen are most likely the cause of the low count. If you are going to respond your plt count will begin to rise as the marrow responds. Your doc And MGI Pharma should have some good info. Go to them and obtain their thoughts.
    There are some steps the patient not on Dacogen can take to prolong the time TX will remain effective.
    Using HLA matched plts
    Using single donor plts
    Using irradiated/filtered plts
    Are there any symptoms of low plts? If not at what point does one get a TX?
    Set some time aside at your next visit at ask your doc how you/he can make sure you get the maximum benefit from each TX— till the dacogen kicks in.
    Platelets usually live about 5 days—but sometimes a TX may stimulate some additional production from your normal megakaryocytes and you get a longer interval.
    Under normal circumstances there is about a teaspoonful of platelets in ones blood stream. Very tough to get an accurate count when the quantity is so small

    #15702
    Jim
    Member
    Quote:
    Originally posted by Neil:
    Are there any symptoms of low plts? If not at what point does one get a TX?

    In my case I went in for a CBC 6 days after my last Dacogen IV thinking I needed PRBCs. Results came back with HGB=7.2 and PLT=3. They put me in the hospital right away to get Platelets and PRBCs. When I was undressing at the hospital, I noticed red spots popping out on my feet and ankles. Something I hadn’t noticed several hours earlier when I got up in the morning.
    Obviously I was at my low point. My docs policy is to transfuse platelets when counts are under 10.

    JW

    #15703
    Terri
    Member

    Everyone is different, Bobs plts get in the low 20’s and he starts having bleeds, They tx if they see it getting down to this number. We go tomorrow, last week they were 55, have continued on an upscale each week since the radiation on the spleen

    #15704

    Hi Jim:

    I agree with Neil that there are too many variables to know exactly how long transfused plts will last for you. I used 89 units of single donor platelets over a course of about 16 months. In the beginning I was not responding well at all to “random” platelets, and my doctor told me I was already refractory. However, by chance I found that there were certain platelets which worked well for me. It happened to be a friend of mine’s platelets. With that cue, I found about 6 other people who worked well for me (they were not HLA matched), and I was able to continue using their platelets until I became independent of transfusions. I no longer bothered with random platelets and only used my directed donors. They were still effective until I no longer needed them. I only used single donor units, which were filtered and irradiated, about 250ccs each unit. They were also filtered at bedside. Might be a good idea for you to pay attention to what kind of filter they use because once the nurse used the wrong size filter and all my platelets got stuck in the filter. I could literally see them in there waving at me. Sure enough my CBC showed I got practically no boost at all. Each unit gave me a boost between 50-70K and lasted me about 7 days. Which brings me to Patti’s MIL’s experience. I’ve heard of other people being able to go every 2 weeks for tranfusions, too, but I wasn’t able to. No matter how big the bag of platelets were, my body just wouldn’t hold on to more than 70 or 80K of transfused platelets. The next day they were always back down to 70 or 80K and continued to drop approx. 10K per day. And for me, the bigger the bag, the greater likelihood of me reacting to them in the form of getting hives and tightness in breathing. So that just shows me there are other variables and differences with each of us.

    From the literature I’ve read, platelets normally last about 11-12 days or so. However, to process platelets, my blood bank took about 3 days from collection before the platelets were transfusion ready. My experience showed me that I would drop about 10K plts a day until I was back to needing more platelets. My low was 1K.

    As far as symptoms, I had an experience like Jim. When it was all very new to me, I jumped in the shower, and when I got out 15 minutes later, my legs and thighs were literally covered in hundreds of red pinpoint (petechia) marks. As I started to learn to observe my body more, the most telling sign for me that I was getting low was blood blisters in the mouth. If I had any suspicion that my platelets were low, I’d just check in my mouth for blood blisters. That was a pretty good guide for me.

    As far as showers, I ended up buying a stool so that I could sit while showering. That seemed to help reduce the pressure from standing that brought out the petechia while in a hotwarm shower. That also helped when my reds were low because showering could also be tiring and something as simple as raising my arms to shampoo my hair was an effort. (Basically when it got close to transfusion time was when that would happen to me).

    Another thing I noticed was that my body seemed to adjust to lower platelets after a while. I found that at about 8K and even 5K, I was able to do okay w/o much symptoms. But everyone’s different. I know of people who bleed at much higher level platelets. I think part of that has to do with the quality of their platelets and possibly their other clotting factors.

    Hope this helps. Take care!

    Marla

    #15705
    Kathy7964
    Member

    Jim–my Dad had one round of Dacogen in August. Prior to the Dacogen, he had never received a platelet transfusion. The highest they have been is a 3. He is getting HLA matched platelets once a week. Sometimes they are 0. The only symptoms he has are the spots ALL over lower legs. He hasn’t had any Dacogen since August and they still can’t get his counts up.

    Take care.

    Kathy

    #15706
    Neil
    Member

    When platelet counts are low it is difficult to get an accurate reading on them. The equipment is not that accurate.
    When my count is in the 3000 range my doc has a slide made and he does a manual count. It only takes a few minutes and you can get an accurate number. In my case they found I was actually in the 10,000 range, which has been my “normal” count for a few years.
    It might be worth asking your docs about.

    #15707
    Kathy7964
    Member

    Thanks for that info Neil. My Dad’s platelets were a 26. That’s the highest they have been in months.

    Finally some good news.

    Kathy

    #15708
    Neil
    Member

    Hi Kathy,
    That is good news! Lets hope his counts are on the rebound and they keep rising.

    #15709
    Russ
    Member

    Hi Neil, I know you are not a proponent of prednisone but when I did a chart of my CBC
    numbers with markers to show when I was on
    15mg of prednisone and above there seem to be
    an increase in both WBCs and PLTs. I don’t seem to have bad side effects with prednisone – am always careful to taper off slowly. About the worse for me is being “wired” and having an increased appetite.

    #15710
    Dottieb
    Member

    Hi again, John finished dacogen #4 on the 16th. Yesterday I believe was the low point, platelets at 9, had runny nose along with blood dripping. Last night he felt awful, I was very nervous…this morning runny nose, little pink mixed in. This afternoon feeling fine and a little energy creeping back. Tomorrow we will go to get cbc and go from there. Dottieb

    #15711
    Russ
    Member

    Hi Dottie,
    Sorry to hear about John’s problems. You are right on the low point – 2 wks. after the start.
    What were his PLTs to begin the 4th round? also
    WBCs? I’m in the middle of my 3rd rnd and my PLTs were 122 at the start. My WBCs were 2.45
    so that’s my big worry. Does John get Neulasta or Neupogen the last day of his treatment or at all? Prayers and blessings for you both.

    #15712
    Neil
    Member

    Hi Russ,
    Very glad prednisone is working for you. It can be very difficult to manage if one is on it long term.
    My doc has recommended that I go on a low dose when my counts start downward. Hope there is an alternative before then.

    #15713
    Russ
    Member

    Neil, When I use prednisone, I usually start to taper down right away and then go off of it. I have a little asthma and the prednisone helps with that. Perhaps another steroid would work better for you.

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